Of all the "macawrongs" that bakers experience, hollow shells is perhaps one that many tear their hair out over. While I don't obsess over hollows because I understand why it is fairly difficult although not impossible to achieve full macaron shells consistently (see the happy red shell below), many bakers do. I have typed my response too many times over in the macaron group so I have decided to once and for all, pen it down properly so I don't have to repeat myself 😂.
The blue and green hollow shells looking at the full red shells with envy!
Before I begin explaining how to overcome hollows, let me explain the fundamentals and science of things. Macarons are meringue based cookies and meringues are UNSTABLE structures that will breakdown over time. Even when you use Swiss or Italian meringues where the egg whites are semi cooked to produce a more stable meringue than the French meringue, they will eventually breakdown with time. Hollows happen when the meringue in your piped batter starts to breakdown before the internal structure of the macaron shell is set by baking.
That leaves us with two strategies to combat hollows:
1. Anything that helps to set the internal structure as soon as possible by baking
2. Anything that helps to keep the meringue stable for a longer time during drying stage (if you are drying) and during the initial baking stage (piped batter in oven but structure not set yet).
Not resting at all is what some bakers do to fulfil option 1. But this is not always possible for some bakers as the membrane formed on the surface of the piped batter may not be strong enough to withstand the internal expansion of the batter in the oven. This results in cracked shells. I believe many would rather have hollow shells than exploded shells. Whether or not you are able to get away without resting depends a lot on how your oven transfers heat to your macarons, the humidity of environment, type of meringue, ingredient ratio and whether things like cornflour /cornstarch is added. The longer you rest your shells before baking, the sturdier the membrane on the surface of the piped batter is. But if the meringue starts to break down during this resting stage, a hollow will start to form under that membrane. So there is a tradeoff you have to consider.
What can we do to minimize the resting time then?
-Reduce humidity of environment. If you live in an arid area, good for you! You probabably don't need to rest your shells or rest for long. For those of us in the tropics (like me), you may have to dry your shells in an aircon room, under a fan or use a dehumidifier to speed this up.
- Add cornflour /cornstarch to your dry ingredients or French meringue (if using French method). This helps a membrane to form more quickly and your shells dry faster. It also makes the membrane sturdier and less prone to cracking when you bake. How much to add? I personally don't add more than 1tsp per egg white recipe as I find that it alters the delicate texture of macarons to become a lot chewier. But this can be fixed by maturing for longer time with filling or brushing the bottoms of the shells with unwhipped heavy cream before filling. Some bakers add up to 10g cornflour per 100g dry ingredients. That is way too much for me but it works for them.
- Oven drying. There are 2 ways to go about this. The first one is a technique I use in macaron class to speed things up. I partially dry the shells at 60°C oven for 5-10min using top and bottom heat only. And then either pop it straight into another oven preheated to baking temperature or let it continue to rest at room temperature while the oven preheats to baking temperature. The second method is a method that I use to get super full and shiny surfaced shells. But it is very much oven dependent. I preheat the oven to baking temperature, pop the freshly piped tray of macarons in and bake with the door ajar (about 10cm wide) for 3-5min before closing the door to bake the rest of the way. You need to keep a close eye on this one and do some trial and error as to what temperature works best for your oven. I don't recommend this method if your oven tends to have high temperature overshoot or unstable oven temperature during baking.
Using a higher initial baking temperature also ensures the meringue starts setting quickly before it starts breaking down in the oven. When the initial temperature is too low or when heat conduction to the base of the macaron shell is poor (due to use of silicone mat, poor heat conduction of baking tray), the hollow forms near the base of the shell instead or near the top, resulting in a concave at the base of the shell.
How do we go about option 2?
- Add cornflour or cornstarch to dry ingredients or meringue (for French method). Besides helping to shells to dry faster and form a sturdier membrane, this also helps to stabilise the meringue. Some bakers use it as a stabiliser for the meringue in chiffon cakes.
- Add egg white powder to egg whites for making meringue. When the egg whites are whipped to form the meringue, protein molecules in the egg whites unravel and form a foam structure. By adding more protein in the form of egg white powder, you are adding in more building blocks to the foam structure, making it sturdier and less prone to collapse. I personally don't really like this although many bakers swear by it, because I find that the macaron batter is thicker and resulting surface of piped batter is less smooth. It is great for round macarons, but not so good for someone like me who makes intricate characters and shapes most of the time.
(Update 07/03/22: After revisiting this option again for a few rounds of bakes involving character macarons, I find that it helps to improve meringue stability without affecting texture too much if not too much egg white powder is added. About 1/2-3/4 tsp per large egg white is sufficient.)
- Add Cream of tartar. This is an acid that helps to stabilise the meringue. I use it in macarons and chiffon cakes all the time. You add it to the egg whites when they are beaten to frothy stage for French method and before beating the egg whites for Swiss and Italian methods. Some people find that adding cream of tartar ruin their macarons but some find it helpful. You have to try it out for yourself to see if it works. I add about 1/8tsp per egg white.
- Use Swiss or Italian method instead of French. When I have projects that require long hours of piping with several coloured batter for character macarons, I use the Swiss or italian methods because of the better meringue stability.
- Ensure that your meringue is of good quality. If you are using French method, beat your meringue until it is really stiff and dry but not curdled looking. For those of you using stand mixers, the meringue should be able to ball up inside the whisk. Take your time to whip up the meringue at medium to medium-high speed on the mixer as it will be more stable this way. You should take about several minutes to beat to stiff peaks.
(Update 07/03/22: After revisiting this option again for a few rounds of bakes involving character macarons, I find that it helps to improve meringue stability without affecting texture too much if not too much egg white powder is added. About 1/2-3/4 tsp per large egg white is sufficient.)
- Add Cream of tartar. This is an acid that helps to stabilise the meringue. I use it in macarons and chiffon cakes all the time. You add it to the egg whites when they are beaten to frothy stage for French method and before beating the egg whites for Swiss and Italian methods. Some people find that adding cream of tartar ruin their macarons but some find it helpful. You have to try it out for yourself to see if it works. I add about 1/8tsp per egg white.
- Use Swiss or Italian method instead of French. When I have projects that require long hours of piping with several coloured batter for character macarons, I use the Swiss or italian methods because of the better meringue stability.
- Ensure that your meringue is of good quality. If you are using French method, beat your meringue until it is really stiff and dry but not curdled looking. For those of you using stand mixers, the meringue should be able to ball up inside the whisk. Take your time to whip up the meringue at medium to medium-high speed on the mixer as it will be more stable this way. You should take about several minutes to beat to stiff peaks.
If you are using Swiss method, make sure that the sugar is all dissolved in the egg whites during double boiling stage before you transfer to stand mixer to beat till firm peak. Any undissolved sugar will cause the meringue to be unable to whip up to firm peak within a few minutes of medium-high speed beating. Heat up your egg whites slowly to make sure the sugar has enough time to dissolve and don't forget to keep whisking. I take about several minutes to do this.
For Italian method, make sure that your syrup temperature reaches 115-118°C before pouring into egg whites slowly and beat the meringue at high speed until it is cool enough (around body temperature) before you stop the mixer to check. Don't stop beating too early.
If your meringue is under-whipped for all three methods, it will break down earlier.
I hope this is helpful information for you and you don't fret as much about hollows because the recipients don't really care, as long as the macarons are yummy! Most of the time even if you get hollows, they aren't super huge and they will disappear with time after maturing with filling. Don't take the joy out of baking by stressing over little details like this!
With love,
Phay Shing
If your meringue is under-whipped for all three methods, it will break down earlier.
I hope this is helpful information for you and you don't fret as much about hollows because the recipients don't really care, as long as the macarons are yummy! Most of the time even if you get hollows, they aren't super huge and they will disappear with time after maturing with filling. Don't take the joy out of baking by stressing over little details like this!
With love,
Phay Shing
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience. Just tried resting my freshly piped in the 60C oven for 10mins to set the meringue. My bakes turned out beautifully, full feet and plump. Thank you very very much, pro tip. https://www.instagram.com/p/B89PN3eHj3L/?igshid=acrj8ncspzo0
ReplyDeleteYay so glad it worked for you!!
Delete"I preheat the oven to baking temperature, pop the freshly piped tray of macarons in and bake with the door ajar (about 10cm wide) for 3-5min before closing the door to bake the rest of the way." For this method, do you wait until the oven is finished preheating to put the tray in, or are you setting the over temperature, then putting the tray in immediately?
ReplyDeleteHi Mary, wait until oven is preheated to baking temperature before you put the tray of piped shells in. I only recommend this method for ovens with good temperature control
DeleteThank you Phay Shing, I'll try this method ��. I would like to try the first method too, but the lowest temperature my oven goes is 77C. Do you think that will be too high?
DeleteHi Mary, yes 77C is too high. The other oven drying method you can try at various tenperatures to see what works for you. I can't prescribe specific temperatures because it is really oven dependent but typical ranges are 130-170C
DeleteThank you so much for this!! I've scoured the internet for years and this is the best explanation I've found so far. Thank you for being so generous with your knowledge
ReplyDeleteYou are welcome :)
DeleteGlad to share!
Thank you for a good explanation on the effect of meringue. I have an interesting case using Italian meringue method because my shells bake perfectly only if I make a medium meringue (bird peak) while if I whip it longer to stiff meringue, I get hollows. What do you think is the issue?
ReplyDeleteDo you consistently get this? My guess is by the time it gets to stiff peak for you, it is over beaten so the meringue starts breaking down more easily. There are others who report this issue too. For me if i dont beat any meringue stiff enough, i get batter stability issues like the meringue starts breaking down sooner as i work on multiple colours in a batch. But it is true that for swiss and italian meringues, i usually go for beating until firm peak (bird peak but a rather stiff one instead of floppy one). I get the best results this way although just reaching stiff peak works for me too.
DeleteYes it's consistent for me since I started making macarons 2 years ago. I tried all possible meringue consistencies between very soft and very stiff. I also watched videos of professional bakeries like pierre and laduree, they all go for bird beak or even softer. I actually never seen a professional going for stiff pointy meringue. Would you like me to share the videos?
DeleteThanks for offering 😊. It's ok i can imagine 😊. For french method some bakers, including myself, find that we must have very stiff peaks or we run into issues. As I mentioned earlier, swiss and italian meringues should just be firm peaks.
DeleteA couple of things...
1) I think a lot has to do with how each individual's oven works too. A different temperature and time profile can cause hollows too.
2) The way you macaronage matters. For stiffer meringues, you need to press the batter more to get a runnier consistency that has more air knocked out of it. If you dont press enough air out of the batter, it will also cause hollows.
I am guessing those professionals are making plain round circles instead of character macarons with several colours from a single batter and piped over many layers and stages. While bird peak type of meringues are great for plain rounds (not too much air beaten into it, therefore less chance of hollows) , it isn't good for the type of projects I usually do because the meringue has to be stable over several hours.
Hello what temperature is your baking temp for French method?
ReplyDeleteEach oven is different so I would recommend testing out what works best for you. I usually preheat till the oven thermometer reads 160C. Lower temperature dial on the oven by 20C. Temperature will gradually fall over the next several minutes to around 140C. Depending on colour and size of shells, I may lower temperature some more to 130C for pastels around 10 min mark and continue to bake till feet no longer appear wet.
DeleteHello, thnak you for your review on hollows. I really experience hollow macarons every time I bake. I prepare them using french method. It is 135C using ventilator. No up and down heating. Could it be the problem?
DeleteHi Phay I love all your bakes and follow you on IG. I stumbled upon this article by accident and in so glad I did. I use Swiss method and oven dry for 4mn. I have a convection oven that I can bake anywhere between 275f to 285f. I want to try your oven drying method for 60c for 10mn. But what do you suggest I bake at in convection? Thanks so much!
ReplyDeleteHi Nazanine,
DeleteSorry for the late reply! I would say you have to experiment and see what works for you as each oven behaves differently, even if they are of the same brand and batch. The values you mentioned are a good starting point to work from and then you can see if you need to make adjustments from there based on the kind of shells you are getting. I hope this helps!
I had such high hopes for my macarons after reading this but I am still getting hollows. Not just small ones, but the big ones that make the cookie inedible without it making a mess when eaten. I use the swiss meringue. I have tried over beating and under beating. No difference. I have tried the two oven method and the resting outside of the oven method. I have tried the two temperature method. I have tried multiple almond powder. I have used egg white powder and cream of tartar. I have no idea where to go next except back to my decorated sugar cookies. These are evil. Thanks for your review, though. :-)
ReplyDeleteHi Cindy,
DeleteDid the hollows reduce or disappear after maturing with filling?
That usually happens. I agree it is a good idea to take a break first though and perhaps try again when you feel brave enough. Which Swiss meringue recipe did you use? If you want fuller shells with Swiss meringue, use the ones where all the egg whites are used to make the swiss meringue. The resulting shells are usually fuller with less chance of hollow but the tops are not as smooth as the ones where some unwhipped egg whites are used.
Sorry for the late reply as my notifications always end up in the spam folder.
Thia is such a detailed post. Truly appreciate this. I've been battling with super small feet. Now I'm battling with a space between the shell and feet. Almost like the feet are straight down. Hard to explain it. I've tried to many things- lower oven temp, rest vs no rest..was just wondering I'd you've encountered this.
ReplyDelete.I don't get it.
My apologies for the super late reply! I think I may have experienced this at some point getting shells with feet that seem to appear more like a crack that runs horizontally around the circumference. This is most likely due to the batter condition and not the oven. I had this some years ago and wasn't able to replicate the strange shells so I can't suggest specifically what's wrong with the batter.
DeleteThank you for such a detailed post. I can’t seem to overcome the hollow shells. I use the French method. I had a little less hollow shells with the Swiss method. I am going to try the egg white powder. I currently use cream of tartar. But my feet look good, my tops are smooth and all my recipients rave about them, however I know to truly be good I need to conquer the hollows. But it is part of the journey, right? I am not perfect and my macarons aren’t either. But they bring joy to others and, after all, that is the goal for me.
ReplyDeleteIt’s hard with so many opposing ideas across the internet regarding meringue consistency and the macronage flow. Stiff peaks, bird peaks, slightly overwhip, slightly underwhip, ribbon flow, lava flow….But this post has been one of the best helps! Thank you
Hi Lynn,
DeleteMany apologies for the super late reply! i agree with you there's a tonne of information out there and some of the advice seems contradictory. We go back to basics and see what is going on in your case.
1. I would say for French method do take time to build up your meringue slowly for better stability and make sure it reaches stiff peaks (no curl at the end at all).
2. Rest only sufficiently long enough before baking to avoid giving time for the meringue to break down.
3. Baking temperature shouldn't be too low especially at the start. This one may be the hardest to troubleshoot because each oven is unique and you may have to try different settings to see what works for you